. >> and also since he's been dragged into the mitt romney world, making it up as you go along. he doesn't get to have his white board out, he doesn't get to talk about the makers and takers except on tapes that he spoke about last year. so now it's going to be interesting to see if he's willing to go that far. >> you've seen a lot of republicans swerving over your time in politics. >> yeah. >> this is going to have to be a pretty big swerve by paul ryan. >> aren't you the one that said that he's the vice presidential nominee who shall never be president? >> i did say that. he is on his way to becoming the next losing vice presidential nominee who will never be president. >> there you go. and i think we have seen over the last several weeks why that is. he has so had to, as joy was saying, sort of pretend that he's not the guy that he was, even just six months ago. he can't talk about what he wants to talk about in terms of his budget and medicare. although we certainly hope joe biden holds his feet to the fire on those issues. just today in fact paul ryan was asked a pretty fai